unknown double headed eagle silver

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unknown double headed eagle silver

Beitrag von muntmichiel » So 10.02.19 14:40

weight is 0.61 gram
size is 19,17 at the larges point

its a silver coin, 2 headed eagle with a cross as mintmark above. I can read at 3 o clock: K:IIDG.K and at 9 o clock: EM.A
other side: shield square and round at bottom. above an flower with the letters MON.
In the shield is an diamond (the one from the play cards) countermark that is stamped hard enough that the other side has a little dent of it.

on the Woc someone had this idea, but it didn't worked out

Obv: rose mintmark might be Dordrecht. Legend starts with MO, (moneta), possibly MO.NO (moneta nova). Uncrowned arms point to Groningen, possibly Friesland
Rev: German imperial eagle. Legend starts with KAR(olvs).II DG.R(ex?), ends with EMAR+.

checked the german states and the dutch provs. So it looks like german state

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Re: unknown double headed eagle silver

Beitrag von Purzel » Mo 11.02.19 16:40

I think search Austria-Habsburg ( double headed eagle )
may be like this:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces89645.html

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Re: unknown double headed eagle silver

Beitrag von muntmichiel » Mo 11.02.19 16:57

Thanks for the answer. Bit still no luck. The right foot of the eagle is outside the inner ring. That is what i can’t find.
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Re: unknown double headed eagle silver

Beitrag von pinpoint » Mo 11.02.19 18:43

In my opinion :

1 Groten , Bremen Stadt , ca. 1625 , on name of Ferdinand II

Greetz from The Netherlands , Pinpoint
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Zuletzt geändert von pinpoint am Mo 11.02.19 19:47, insgesamt 1-mal geändert.
COGITO , ERGO SUM

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Re: unknown double headed eagle silver

Beitrag von muntmichiel » Mo 11.02.19 19:10

The idea was good. But on my coin at 9 o’clock it starts with a flower and than till 12 o’clock “mon”
On the bremer coins at 10 o’clock there is the year.

So the search will go on. Since may 2016 ;)

(Have 2 very detailed coins for 6 years and no one can help me with them, so 3 years for this one .... ;)
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Re: unknown double headed eagle silver

Beitrag von pinpoint » Mo 11.02.19 19:52

Have a closer look , in my opinion a match !

Please post the other unknown coin , maybe someone can help you

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Re: unknown double headed eagle silver

Beitrag von muntmichiel » Di 12.02.19 09:44

I have to take my words back. You are right. It is the same coin. after taking the magnifier i was wrong with the 9 o'clock, that was 12 o'clock. And now i look better i see the bremer key.
So my thanks.
this wil be the one. in my case without year ;) https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/wor ... id-1336138

(these are the 2 coins i'm looking for since 2012
https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=119076
https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=119077


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Re: unknown double headed eagle silver

Beitrag von pinpoint » Di 12.02.19 21:08

In my opinion both 2 coins are Vietnamese POW tokens , war prison camps money ., minted during the Vietnam war 1955 -1975
Denomination 1 Hao is 1/ 10 Dong. for North Vietnam
But we see a 3 & 6 . This grades don't fit in the normal decimal system.
Maybe we find the exact match ?

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Re: unknown double headed eagle silver

Beitrag von muntmichiel » Di 12.02.19 21:58

Vietnam pow was in 2012 also the idea but all leads went down at that time. The vietnam trace was there all in the beginning. But i have all the time in the world
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