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Friendly ask for determination help .
Tournose : Diam. 25 mm / 3,00 gr. / silver
Legende av. : CIVIS TVRONVS , rev. : CIVIS DVLRENSI
Can it be a variant of ? : Düren ( rev. : DVRENSI CIVITSI ) Saurm. 1519
or : Dülken ( rev. : DVLKENS CIVIS ) Saurm. 1522

All info is welcome !

Greetz from The Netherlands , Pinpoint

Hi pinpoint,

I think it will be quite hard to figure out from which mint it came exactly - especially if there was a typo inside the stamp
but when you look at Saurm. 1519 for Düren you will find this entry "eagle, 11 lis"
In opposite to that you can find for Dülken "12 lis".
cause of the fact, that I don't see a eagle, but 12 lis, I would go for Dülken

edit:
although I found now also some coins from Düren without the eagle and with 12 lis ... hard to say ... sorry

see you
Ruford

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Tournose , Wilhelm II (1361-1393) , Jülich
Dülken mint
Ref.nr. : Noss 67
Can someone confirm this option ?

Greetz , Pinpoint

Hi,

maybe Noss 67 is the solution - although Wilhem II used very often his name instead of the city - as you can see it here:
Ritter Münzgalerie for Noss 67

But I would also still think that the mint was Dülken. I think your K looks just a bit different - cause you mentioned:
DVLRENSI
and you thought ist should be for Dülken
DVLKENS
but also existing is:
DVLKENSI
So if your R is a K - then you have it - actually, there is a quite similar coin (with exception of "CIVI" instead of "CIVIS"):

like you can find it here:
mcsearch.info
And a funny thing: it is also under Noss 67

greetings

Hoi Ruford ,

Thanks for your exellent help !
It seems that Noss 67 is the right match exept parts of the legenda :
CIVIS instead CIVI and the different shaped R / K .
Probably a variant of this coin.

Greetz , Pinpoint

Auf den ersten Blick Noss 67i/c, aber in der äußeren Umschrift Doppelpunkte statt 3 Punkten, also wie bei Noss 70. Hingegen das L in DVLRENSI wie bei Noss 67-69. Dazu das fehlende V in Jesu Christi. Es gibt viele Varianten der Dülkener Turnosen, ich würde dieses Stück als Noss 67-71 var. bezeichnen.