Unknown Kleve

[pinpoint]

All info welcome of this unknown coin from Kleve.
Diameter : 20 mm / Weight : 0,70 gr. / silver
MONETA NO (VA) CLIVENSIS / C-L-I-V
+ ION ....... MAR '
Coin found in The Netherlands.
Johann I / Johann II ??

Greetz , Pinpoint

[dcag99]

should be johann II 1481-1521 - 1 stüber

[pinpoint]

should be johann II 1481-1521 - 1 stüber

Thanks for your help .
Could you give me a reference number of this coin ?

Greetz , Pinpoint

[dcag99]

sorry i just have a picture + short description from an old book without any reference to modern catalogs

[pinpoint]

sorry i just have a picture + short description from an old book without any reference to modern catalogs

Ok. Than this should be the right match !
Thanks for your excellent help .

Kind regards from The Netherlands , Pinpoint

[D_R]

It doesn't looks like a stüber of Johann II for me. It is too small (typical klevish stuber is approx. 27-29 mm) and too easy (must be 2,6-3,0 gr). Ever for a half stüber it is still too small.

[Dittsche]

Weder Noss noch Schulten kennt diesen Typ.

Prägestätte Kleve unter Johann II. sollte zutreffend sein,
das Nominal würde ich auf einen Muter (1/6 Stüber) aufgrund des Gewichtes und des ähnlichen Stils tippen.