Mainz 314.2 round

[muntmichiel]

Sorry for the english, i can't write german

I've got a notmunz from mainz, the 314.2, but it is not 8eckig but round.
The size is 21.1 mm instead of the 20.9 that is listed in funck. Who can tell me more about this coin?

I can read a little german, so its not a big problem if you can't write english

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second question: What is the meaning of the letter "V" an "NP" in Funck?

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Greating Michiel

[usen]

Hello,
EDIT: too fast replied.. it was the 1918 ive found in round. Sorry

NP could/should be restruck, but what does the V mean? I have no idea.

Kind regards
frederik

[muntmichiel]

Hello,
EDIT: too fast replied.. it was the 1918 ive found in round. Sorry

NP could/should be restruck, but what does the V mean? I have no idea.

Kind regards
frederik

That's right. the 314.4 is a 1918 coin.
The one in the photo is the 314.2 in round, and bigger then the normal 314.2

So, lets go again, who can help me

The NP is good possible a restruck. Thanks for that

[usen]

Hello,
for normal NP means NachPrägung, thats why I thought that.
How does the rim looks like? Is it impossible that someone grinded it for beeing round?
i searched a while now and did not find anything about a round one.
Maybe someone else from the forum has more luck than me.
Kind regards
Frederik

[muntmichiel]

The rim is normal. The coin is made from a round plate. The size is also a little bigger than the normal one. So it is not possible that someobe grinded it. Than the size should be smaller.
If i compare the coin with the funck photo its the same. Only the shape and size dont match

[muntmichiel]

Coming back on the "V". I find out that it mains that its a variation of the stamp and in band 2 its explained furtherp

[rista]

Hallo muntmichiel,

I've bought the "Funck" Vol.2, but will get it back in ca. 3 weeks, then I'll give you a reply for the V = variations, if no one will do it before.

For the "Mainz" Notgeld coin: maybe anyone here can have a look at the "Menzel" catalogue (the most comprehensive catalogue about official german Notgeld coins and tokens) - I've lend the books also ?
If the coin is uncatalogued by Funck und Menzel and the rim is not remodelled this item could be a specimen from the mint factory - what do you think about that idea?

Gegroet!

[muntmichiel]

Hello Rista,

Your dutch is good!
I find out that if there is a V after the coin that in funck Vol2 the variation can be found.

But back on the mainz. It's not a V coin, so I think we can rule out a variation. I someone can take a look for me in the menzel, please

I really like to solve this mysterie

Greating Michiel

[muntmichiel]

Anybody?

[rista]

Hallo,

the Menzel reference for "Stadt Mainz" notgeld coins is 16107, but the data are the same as described by Funck, all 1917 coins are not round, they have 8 corners and the 1918 coins are round (5 Pf + 10 Pf both iron, the 5 pf coin comes in 3 variations, but these are not described in a closer way)

The 1918 variations are described by Funck (Vol.2) 5 Pf iron, No.314.3: a = "1918" 6.5mm at bottom, b = "1918" 7.0mm at bottom, distance between the "|"-part of "5" to "8" is 1.5mm and c = like b but distance 5-8 is 2 mm. Prices (conv. to Euro) a = 5€, b or c = 3€.

Regards/gegroet
rista

[muntmichiel]

Strange.
So that means that i have a coin that is not described in funck and menzel.

Is this something that is found more offen?

[rista]

Hallo,

I thought that there are no surprises concerning to "official" notgeld coins ("Städtenotmünzen" are all listed by Funck - and Menzel) - collecting this kind of german notgeld was / is very common relative to collecting other types of german tokens (listed by Menzel)
So I think, this item could be a specimen - or a remodelled one, reworked by a skilled person. Any other ideas...?

[muntmichiel]

It cant be a remodelled one. The size is bigger than the 8 cornerd version.
That is what this makes so strange

[rista]

It cant be a remodelled one. The size is bigger than the 8 cornerd version.

Gosh, I've overlooked that detail - then the idea of a specimen remains. Half a million of 8 cornered 10 Pf coins (314.2) were issued and your piece seems to be the only round one. Maybe we should e-mail to Mr. Menzel to get more information or to give him the details of this obviously unedited coin?

Gegroet rista

[muntmichiel]

It cant be a remodelled one. The size is bigger than the 8 cornerd version.

Gosh, I've overlooked that detail - then the idea of a specimen remains. Half a million of 8 cornered 10 Pf coins (314.2) were issued and your piece seems to be the only round one. Maybe we should e-mail to Mr. Menzel to get more information or to give him the details of this obviously unedited coin?

Gegroet rista

Jouw nederlands is erg goed

Do you have a contact email adress for me? Than i can send this forum link to him with al the info in it.

Groeten Michiel