Schöne, seltene bzw. interessante Münzen des Gordianus III

[briac]

Wall-IE, you are young collector... I actually have most roman imperial types, I only searching for new varieties and some realy rare types like VOTIS DECENNALIBVS antoninianus or quadriga...

by the way, espacially for AETERNITATI, I have a quite full set, so searching such varieties is all what I still have to do in roman coins...

have a look

1) as, sol standing right (I have 2 specimens)
2) as, sol standing left (I have 2 specimens)
3) sestertius with full cloak
4) sestertius sol standing right (I have 3 specimens)
5) sestertius Sol stanting left (I have 2 specimens)
6) Sestertius obverse FELIX bust seen from front

Silver in next message

[briac]

7) Quinarius sol standing right (seems to be the only type)
denarius with full cloak
9) denarius Sol standing right (I have 2 specimens)
10) antoninianus sol standing right (I have 4 spacimens)
11) antoninianus Sol standing left (I have 3 specimens)

the only missing are dupondius (2 specimen standing right in Berlin and Copenhagen) and gold ...

Like now you know it, you will never miss it in the next years

[briac]

My last find in dupondius

IMP CAES GORDIANVS PIVS AVG
Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right seen from back

LIBERALITAS AVG II
Liberalitas standing left holding abacus and dubble cornucopiae

RIC 279

11.00g, 24mm.

From M. Mihalka's collection

[briac]

Hello all and merry Christmass,

just to know if any of us won that coin yeasterday evening in Savoca's auction?

this is not an unique specimen, I have picture of a second specimen from different reverse die (see picture 2)

this obverse error is known on others dies (like my own concordia picture 3 which is the only specimen known purchased in Savoca's auction march 31st)

[Perinawa]

just to know if any of us won that coin yeasterday evening in Savoca's auction?

me not. I lost with a republican AE...

[Wall-IE]

Me not I was overbid with the last bis, grrrr... I just got the next lot.

Merry christmas everyone.

[curtislclay]

I entered a reasonable bid, but without any real hope of acquiring the coin. Minor Gordian III rarities or engravers' errors cost too much in my opinion, because of the unrelenting competition of a number of specialty collectors!

Another interesting detail of the Savoca coin: Roma holds a spear with point downwards rather than a scepter, a variety not recorded by Bland, though I have seen the same mistake on a number of other coins, for example on a Jupiter standing sestertius of Septimius Severus.

[briac]

So Wall-Ie was second and I was 3rd bidder...

I'm totally agree with you Curtis, I actually did refer 135 types and varieties for Antiochene 1st issue in those 135, are 1 brokage, 10 dubble struck and 33 engravers errors (CONCORIA, GORIANVS, POMAE, IMP CAE M ANT, IMP CAES M NT, GORDIANS, AGVSTI PAX AVGVS P P , FIDES MILIT AG, and many others)

we are really few to collect Gordian's coinage (maybe 15 in the all world?) Since Georges His sold, Dr Mihalka passed away, Ga77 sold, Gordian_guy stopped to collect imperial's, ... many coins are coming back for sale... and prices allways grow up...

to my eyes, that error don't worth more than 250-300... and it's already expensive!

when I see this as I won from Leu wich is only the second specimen known with the altar.... and I got it for only 180 CHF... there is clearly a problem with the antiochene errors...

[Wall-IE]

Do you know, when Ga77 sold his great collection of asses ?

[antoninus1]

It was at Leu Numismatik Web Auction 5.

[Wall-IE]

Danke dir antoninus1

[briac]

Yes, I did bid on some but didn't won any...

[Wall-IE]

Das neue Jahr möchte ich hier einmal mit einer Überlegung bzw. einer Frage bezüglich eines recht seltenen Antoninian des Gordian III beginnen, und zwar dem des "VOTIS DECENNALIBVS" (RIC 14):

Was mich diesbezüglich grübeln lässt ist die Seltenheit und die fehlende Zuordnungsmöglichkeit zu einer der bekannten Ausgabenreihen.
Da die Vota- Ausgaben von Gordians III Vorgängern Balbinus und Pupienus (hier jedoch auf Denaren !) ebenfalls recht selten sind, kam mir hierbei der Gedanke, ob diese Prägungen nicht zur gleichen Zeit mit nur wenigen Stempeln ausgeführt wurden.
Für Balbinus und Pupienus wären demnach Vota-Ausgaben in Denaren und für den Mitcaesaren Gordian in Antoninianen ausgeprägt worden. Die Vota-Gelübte könnten hierbei zur gleichen Zeit gemeinsam abgelegt worden sein.

Was denken die werten Kollegen hierüber ?

Mit numismatischen Grüßen
Wall-IE

[Lucius Aelius]

Die Vota-Gelübte könnten hierbei zur gleichen Zeit gemeinsam abgelegt worden sein.

Unwahrscheinlich, denn die vota decennalia folgte dem dies imperii, nicht dem dies Caesaris, vgl. Haase, Aufstieg u. Niedergang II.16.2., S. 1188, Anm. 378. Inschrift für das Datum der vota CIL VI 2113 ist unvollständig, Loriot hat bspw. den 7. Juni vorgeschlagen, andere sehen Mai bis Okt. 238 für möglich, siehe Vestigia 29, S. 185, Anm. 518.
Herz, Kaiserfeste der Principatszeit gibt folgende Chronologie:
Dies imperii Gordians: 6./7. Juni, Vota decennalia Gordians 8. Juni

[curtislclay]

Der Denar RIC 14 und die entsprechenden Bronzen RIC 263a-b zeigen aber Gordian III. bereits als Augustus. Diesen Rang hat er bekanntlich erst nach dem Tode von Balbinus und Pupienus erreicht.