3 groschen 1780 preusen not in krause

[muntmichiel]

Hello,

This coin is a 1780A 3 groschen from preusen. I can't find this coin in krause. I used the "german coins 1601 -1997" and the normal krause 1701 - 1800.
I looked under preusen, brandenburg, but cant find anything.

Anybody an idea?

[ischbierra]

Hello muntmichel,
this coin is Preussen, 3 Gröscher, 1780 A (Berlin).
AV: FRIDERICUS BORUSSORUM REX
RV: MONETA ARGENT
in: German Coins, 3.edition, No: KM 337
with best regards
ischbierra

[muntmichiel]

Helo ischbierra

Thanks, but i cant still find them.
I have the second edition from german coins and the km337 is not in there. The 3 groschen is stopped at 1723.
So that means that in the 3 edition the coin is written down.
In the 1701-1800 krause 3 edition from 2003 the km337 is also missing.

Greating Michiel

[muntmichiel]

ps Ischbierra

Can you maybe post the coin details or a picture from the coin in the book?
In numismaster the extra info is not posted.

Thanks

[leodux]

Hi Michiel,

I think, you are right. The later 3 Gröscher seem to be missing in the 2nd edition. At least I also can't find it there.
But you can see a photo of it here:
http://www.mcsearch.info/record.html?id=3636

Greetings,
Peter

[muntmichiel]

Thanks. The pictures i already found. I normaly put the coin info from krause in my database. So iam missing the amount of silver etc. So a picture from the krause book will be handy

Michiel

[leodux]

Hi Michiel,

the 5th edition of KM Standard Catalog of World Coins lists this coin:

KM# 337 3 GROSCHER (Dreigröscher=Düttchen)
1.6700 g., Silver, 20 mm. Ruler: Friedrich II Obv: Laureate head
to right Obv. Legend: FRIDERICUS BORUSSORUM REX. Rev:
Crowned eagle flying left, looking right, '3/A' divides date below,
legend in arc above Rev. Legend: MONETA ARGENT Mint:
Berlin

All years from 1779A to 1785A exist.
But there is no photo of KM# 337 in the catalog.
If the text above is not enough and you need a copy of the original descripton I can send you a scan via PN.

Greetings,
Peter

[ischbierra]

Hello,
here the copies from the new cataloque:
greetings
ischbierra

[muntmichiel]

Thanks allot the both of you. I can update the database now.
I didn't know there was a 1501 - present. That is great. I want that book too

[stirlitz]

Hello,

This coin is a 1780A 3 groschen from preusen. I can't find this coin in krause. I used the "german coins 1601 -1997" and the normal krause 1701 - 1800.
I looked under preusen, brandenburg, but cant find anything.

Anybody an idea?

Hello Michiel,
You'll find this coin in usual Krause 18th century (1701-1800) under East Prussia, however not under Germany but under Poland.
Gruß Konstantin

[leodux]

Hi Konstantin,

die neue 5. Ausgabe des Krause World Coins listet die gleiche Münze nun gleich doppelt, einmal unter Germany - Prussia als KM# 337 und unter Poland - East Prussia als C# 21.1.

The new 5th edition of Krause World Coins now lists the same coin twice: under Germany - Prussia as KM# 337 and under Poland - East Prussia as C# 21.1.

Viele Grüße
Peter

[muntmichiel]

thanks for the info. I never would looked under poland.

This is what my krause 1701 - 1800 3rd edition 2003 says about it. The krause number is ofcourse different, its a poland number now.
But its easier for my to stick to the german number in my collection.
At the end of the week i will ask you folks again a coin, 1 groschen from pruisen 1543. Till i have a new krause i can only lookup till 1601.

[stirlitz]

die neue 5. Ausgabe des Krause World Coins listet die gleiche Münzen nun gleich doppelt, einmal unter Germany - Prussia als KM# 337 und unter Poland - East Prussia als C# 21.1...

Hi Peter,
ich habe eine recht alte Auflage aus Mitte 90er, damals gab's die doppelte Zählung noch nicht. Im neueren gehören wahrscheinlich die Stücke mit dem Mzz. A zu Deutschland und mit den Mzz. E und B zu Polen.
Übrigens macht mein alter Krause kein Unterschied zwischen Brandenburg und Preussen, mit der Ausnahme von den preussischen Stücke aus der Zeit nach dem 7-jährigen Krieg, die unter Ostpreussen, Hauptabteilung Polen katalogisiert sind. Merkwürdig...
LG Konstantin

[muntmichiel]

Can anybody look up for me this coin in krause?
I think its a groschen 1543 from preusen
i need to know the material (amount of silver, i think its 0,375) ,the mintage, krause number and the timeline. A picture from the book will be great

thanks again, still looking for the new krause book

this is the known info that I already found.

[passant]

Hallo Muntmichiel,
This ist actually the groschen of Albrecht Hohenzollern von Brandenburg, the last Grandmaster of the Teutonic Order and the first secular dukе of Prussia, but still the vassal of the Sigismund I, the King of Polland. The mint is Königsberg, (or Krolowiec in Polish).
The description of this coin you can find in Catalogs of Saurma (http://www.medievalcoinage.com/saurma/s ... 1/2678.htm), Kopicki (#3784), or Schulten (#2810).
Best Regards
Passant