Ich kann nicht diese Variant finden, kennt jemanden diese Sesterz von Antonino Pius?
Ist von SECURITAS
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Hallo Durmius!
Eine sehr interessante Münze! Sie ist in RIC nicht gelistet. Aber in BMC IV, S.179, aber ohne Nummer!
Obv. ANTONINVS AVG PVS PP, Kopf des Antoninus, belorbeert, r.
Rev. Securitas l. sitzend, hält Szepter in der l. Hand und lehnt Kopf in die r. SECVRITAS COS II SC.
Dazu unten eine Anmerkung: Strack, No.770. Should rev. read SECVRITAS AVG COS II SC?
D.h. wohl, daß Mattingly diese Münze nicht selbst gesehen hat und sich fragt, ob Strack die Rev.-Legende vielleicht falsch gelesen hat. Deine Münze aber zeigt, daß Strack richtig lag!
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Eine sehr interessante Münze! Sie ist in RIC nicht gelistet. Aber in BMC IV, S.179, aber ohne Nummer!
Obv. ANTONINVS AVG PVS PP, Kopf des Antoninus, belorbeert, r.
Rev. Securitas l. sitzend, hält Szepter in der l. Hand und lehnt Kopf in die r. SECVRITAS COS II SC.
Dazu unten eine Anmerkung: Strack, No.770. Should rev. read SECVRITAS AVG COS II SC?
D.h. wohl, daß Mattingly diese Münze nicht selbst gesehen hat und sich fragt, ob Strack die Rev.-Legende vielleicht falsch gelesen hat. Deine Münze aber zeigt, daß Strack richtig lag!
Ich würde diese Münze gern im amerikanischen Forum vorstellen!
Mit freundlichem Gruß
Omnes vulnerant, ultima necat.
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Hier ist die Antwort von Curtis Clay:
Jochen's explanation is correct.
Strack saw the coin in the stock of the Paris coin dealer Feuardent, so Mattingly had certainly not seen a specimen!
One thing I have to look into: is the legend SECVRITAS alone on coins, not followed by AVG or IMPERI or P R, so unusual that Mattingly was justified to propose a correction to SECVRITAS AVG?
By chance, I acquired a specimen of this sestertius myself about a year ago. Unfortunately it is worn; on rev. [CO]S II can be made out faintly in exergue, but [SECVRITAS] is illegible.
My specimen is from different dies than the one shown by Jochen, and its rev. type varies in two small details. My coin shows a strut between the legs of Securitas' throne, omitted on Jochen's specimen. On Jochen's coin Securitas seems to be supporting her head with her l. hand; on mine her l. hand is much farther from her head, as though she were perhaps drawing up her drapery. However, the gesture of supporting head in hand is typical of Securitas, so that is probably what was meant on my coin too.
Und:
According to Cohen's index of rev. legends, the legend SECVRITAS alone occurs only one other time on Roman coins, namely on the bronze medallion of Diva Faustina I, Cohen 277.
Otherwise, SECVRITAS in coin legends is always further modified, by AVG, IMPERI, or P R as I said, or also by IMP GERMAN (=Vitellius), ORBIS, PERPETVA, PVBLICA, REIPVBLICAE, ROMAE, or TEMPORVM.
So Mattingly was right to feel that SECVRITAS alone on this sestertius was unusual. But that feeling didn't justify his proposed correction of the legend reported by the meticulous Strack, and Durmius' new specimen shows, as Jochen notes, that Strack's reading was in fact correct!
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Jochen's explanation is correct.
Strack saw the coin in the stock of the Paris coin dealer Feuardent, so Mattingly had certainly not seen a specimen!
One thing I have to look into: is the legend SECVRITAS alone on coins, not followed by AVG or IMPERI or P R, so unusual that Mattingly was justified to propose a correction to SECVRITAS AVG?
By chance, I acquired a specimen of this sestertius myself about a year ago. Unfortunately it is worn; on rev. [CO]S II can be made out faintly in exergue, but [SECVRITAS] is illegible.
My specimen is from different dies than the one shown by Jochen, and its rev. type varies in two small details. My coin shows a strut between the legs of Securitas' throne, omitted on Jochen's specimen. On Jochen's coin Securitas seems to be supporting her head with her l. hand; on mine her l. hand is much farther from her head, as though she were perhaps drawing up her drapery. However, the gesture of supporting head in hand is typical of Securitas, so that is probably what was meant on my coin too.
Und:
According to Cohen's index of rev. legends, the legend SECVRITAS alone occurs only one other time on Roman coins, namely on the bronze medallion of Diva Faustina I, Cohen 277.
Otherwise, SECVRITAS in coin legends is always further modified, by AVG, IMPERI, or P R as I said, or also by IMP GERMAN (=Vitellius), ORBIS, PERPETVA, PVBLICA, REIPVBLICAE, ROMAE, or TEMPORVM.
So Mattingly was right to feel that SECVRITAS alone on this sestertius was unusual. But that feeling didn't justify his proposed correction of the legend reported by the meticulous Strack, and Durmius' new specimen shows, as Jochen notes, that Strack's reading was in fact correct!
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Omnes vulnerant, ultima necat.
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